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		<title>By: Turning Queerness Invisible &#171; Cheerful Megalomaniac</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Turning Queerness Invisible &#171; Cheerful Megalomaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a few weeks ago I had a flip out about lesbians. I lost my temper, and wrote an angry blog post fisking a stupid article I was linked [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a few weeks ago I had a flip out about lesbians. I lost my temper, and wrote an angry blog post fisking a stupid article I was linked [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RyanWren</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanWren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL

Ain&#039;t that the truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t that the truth!</p>
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		<title>By: genderoutlaw</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>genderoutlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogging was invented for rage and flipping out :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogging was invented for rage and flipping out <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RyanWren</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanWren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post was written in a bit of a rage. :)

I understand that lesbians are worn out from living in a patriarchal world, and most of the time I am full of compassion for them. Sometimes though I flip out.</description>
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<p>I understand that lesbians are worn out from living in a patriarchal world, and most of the time I am full of compassion for them. Sometimes though I flip out.</p>
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		<title>By: genderoutlaw</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>genderoutlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In telling people about being FTM trans, the only quasi-negative reaction (so far) has come from a feminist lesbian. I was chatting with a MTF friend yesterday and she said the only people who have had issue with her are lesbians. Thus I suspect that lesbians, having had to fight for some time to define themselves in men&#039;s world, are somewhat battle-weary and perhaps a little defensive regarding transpeople. I&#039;m willing to be patient and compassionate in helping my lesbian friends understand that my transgenderism is not a denial of feminine power.

As for sexual tastes, I&#039;m simply lucky in that my &quot;lesbian&quot; GF is probably bi or het--complete identity definition to follow/flourish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In telling people about being FTM trans, the only quasi-negative reaction (so far) has come from a feminist lesbian. I was chatting with a MTF friend yesterday and she said the only people who have had issue with her are lesbians. Thus I suspect that lesbians, having had to fight for some time to define themselves in men&#8217;s world, are somewhat battle-weary and perhaps a little defensive regarding transpeople. I&#8217;m willing to be patient and compassionate in helping my lesbian friends understand that my transgenderism is not a denial of feminine power.</p>
<p>As for sexual tastes, I&#8217;m simply lucky in that my &#8220;lesbian&#8221; GF is probably bi or het&#8211;complete identity definition to follow/flourish.</p>
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		<title>By: RyanWren</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanWren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farida: This post was about the article, not our relationship.
Our discussion has pretty well ended up blurring the lines between what was about us and what is about lesbians-FTM&#039;s in general.

Your comment here does not tally with the emails we have exchanged, or the email you just sent about this post; particularly this:
&lt;i&gt;I like female bodies. I&#039;m not into male bodies. In and of itself, I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with that? I&#039;m not just attracted to a human being as an amorphous soul in the ether, their body is important to me. The fact that I like female bodies means that I&#039;m attracted to ciswomen and pre-transition transmen. Maybe I could be attracted to a transwoman who passed really well, but as yet that hasn&#039;t happened.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, I am being insensitive. I&#039;ve hit the point where I am so sick of being told I am a woman that my ignition point is very very low.

I never expected you to figure everything out right away. I did expect you to *think* though. I still do. I expect you to understand that there is a difference between transsexuality and performance art. I expect you to understand that my underwear is a personal item, that I don&#039;t lend out. I expect you to not ask me questions about the transition process in front of strangers who I may not be out to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farida: This post was about the article, not our relationship.<br />
Our discussion has pretty well ended up blurring the lines between what was about us and what is about lesbians-FTM&#8217;s in general.</p>
<p>Your comment here does not tally with the emails we have exchanged, or the email you just sent about this post; particularly this:<br />
<i>I like female bodies. I&#8217;m not into male bodies. In and of itself, I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with that? I&#8217;m not just attracted to a human being as an amorphous soul in the ether, their body is important to me. The fact that I like female bodies means that I&#8217;m attracted to ciswomen and pre-transition transmen. Maybe I could be attracted to a transwoman who passed really well, but as yet that hasn&#8217;t happened.</i></p>
<p>Yes, I am being insensitive. I&#8217;ve hit the point where I am so sick of being told I am a woman that my ignition point is very very low.</p>
<p>I never expected you to figure everything out right away. I did expect you to *think* though. I still do. I expect you to understand that there is a difference between transsexuality and performance art. I expect you to understand that my underwear is a personal item, that I don&#8217;t lend out. I expect you to not ask me questions about the transition process in front of strangers who I may not be out to.</p>
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		<title>By: Farida Iqbal</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Farida Iqbal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

People in complicated situations have complicated feelings. I was in a complicated situation when you came out to me as a transman. My feelings were never so simple as you&#039;re trying to tell me. It confused me because I really did desire you as a man. I was got very hot for the prospect of you having a male body. When I said I wanted to run my tongue over your flat chest that was exactly what I meant. No more, no less. That was a surprise to me. I&#039;m still getting my head around it. 

Ryan. I&#039;d also like to remind you that my desires and my body are my own. If I ever made you feel good about being a man, I&#039;m glad, but the affirmation of your masculinity is *not* the fundamental purpose of my body and my feelings.

I did my best to be patient when we were together. I didn&#039;t feel angry with you for not telling me you were a man because I figured it&#039;s complicated and it takes time to figure out. I didn&#039;t expect you to have figured it all out right away. You, however, expect me to have figured out all of my feelings right away. Actually I didn&#039;t even think about how I felt about the situation at all because I was kind of preoccupied with your feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>People in complicated situations have complicated feelings. I was in a complicated situation when you came out to me as a transman. My feelings were never so simple as you&#8217;re trying to tell me. It confused me because I really did desire you as a man. I was got very hot for the prospect of you having a male body. When I said I wanted to run my tongue over your flat chest that was exactly what I meant. No more, no less. That was a surprise to me. I&#8217;m still getting my head around it. </p>
<p>Ryan. I&#8217;d also like to remind you that my desires and my body are my own. If I ever made you feel good about being a man, I&#8217;m glad, but the affirmation of your masculinity is *not* the fundamental purpose of my body and my feelings.</p>
<p>I did my best to be patient when we were together. I didn&#8217;t feel angry with you for not telling me you were a man because I figured it&#8217;s complicated and it takes time to figure out. I didn&#8217;t expect you to have figured it all out right away. You, however, expect me to have figured out all of my feelings right away. Actually I didn&#8217;t even think about how I felt about the situation at all because I was kind of preoccupied with your feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Gendertrouble, lesbians and relationships &#171; The Stranger</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>Gendertrouble, lesbians and relationships &#171; The Stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lesbians and&#160;relationships  Posted on 9 April, 2008 by Tarald Stein   After reading Cheerful Megalomaniac&#8217;s post on lesbian (ex-)partners of transmen, I’m very happy that I’ve not had to deal with lesbians in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lesbians and&nbsp;relationships  Posted on 9 April, 2008 by Tarald Stein   After reading Cheerful Megalomaniac&#8217;s post on lesbian (ex-)partners of transmen, I’m very happy that I’ve not had to deal with lesbians in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RyanWren</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-869</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanWren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there is a difference between sexual orientation (which comes in three flavours, heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual) and sexual identity, which comes in more flavours than can be counted.

A lesbian is a homosexual woman who also ascribes to a certain sexual identity. I identify as a &#039;fag&#039; most of the time... and as &#039;pansexual&#039;. My sexual orientation is bisexual though. One cannot really be &#039;pansexual&#039; if they are heterosexual or homosexual.

If you are a homosexual woman, you shouldn&#039;t be dating men. If you are a heterosexual man you shouldn&#039;t be dating men. Period. Otherwise you cross the line into bisexuality, there is nothing wrong with being bisexual... it just means that you are not homosexual (or heterosexual)!

Being a bisexual lesbian is problematic, due to the political history of the lesbian identity. However, I have no problem with bisexual dykes/fags etc.

The issue I have with this article is primarily its implication that its ok to be trans, if you are transgressive, but not if you are &#039;straight&#039;.

*ramble ramble* I hope this makes a little sense to someone else too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there is a difference between sexual orientation (which comes in three flavours, heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual) and sexual identity, which comes in more flavours than can be counted.</p>
<p>A lesbian is a homosexual woman who also ascribes to a certain sexual identity. I identify as a &#8216;fag&#8217; most of the time&#8230; and as &#8216;pansexual&#8217;. My sexual orientation is bisexual though. One cannot really be &#8216;pansexual&#8217; if they are heterosexual or homosexual.</p>
<p>If you are a homosexual woman, you shouldn&#8217;t be dating men. If you are a heterosexual man you shouldn&#8217;t be dating men. Period. Otherwise you cross the line into bisexuality, there is nothing wrong with being bisexual&#8230; it just means that you are not homosexual (or heterosexual)!</p>
<p>Being a bisexual lesbian is problematic, due to the political history of the lesbian identity. However, I have no problem with bisexual dykes/fags etc.</p>
<p>The issue I have with this article is primarily its implication that its ok to be trans, if you are transgressive, but not if you are &#8217;straight&#8217;.</p>
<p>*ramble ramble* I hope this makes a little sense to someone else too.</p>
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		<title>By: Identitetstrøbbel, lesber og forhold &#171; Framandkar</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/what-about-the-lesbianz/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator>Identitetstrøbbel, lesber og forhold &#171; Framandkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lesber og&#160;forhold  Innsendt den tirsdag 8 april, 2008 av Tarald Stein   Etter å ha lest Cheerful Megalomaniacs post om lesber som har vært sammen med transmenn er jeg veldig glad for at jeg aldri har hatt særlig [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lesber og&nbsp;forhold  Innsendt den tirsdag 8 april, 2008 av Tarald Stein   Etter å ha lest Cheerful Megalomaniacs post om lesber som har vært sammen med transmenn er jeg veldig glad for at jeg aldri har hatt særlig [...]</p>
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