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Turning Queerness Invisible

Posted by: Ryan on: June 18, 2008

Clearing out my drafts folder, I found this post… Originally written 17th May

So a few weeks ago I had a flip out about lesbians. I lost my temper, and wrote an angry blog post fisking a stupid article I was linked to.

At the end of that post I declared that I would never date another lesbian ever again. Now, I still see some problems with dating someone who’s political and sexual identity is centered around only loving other women. I am not so secure in my masculinity that I can date someone that doesn’t consider their sexuality at least a little fluid… same deal for straight men.

I also have difficulty with the kinds of lesbians that say they only date ‘pre-transition’ trans men. After all, thats like putting a time stamp on your relationship, and well, I don’t consider myself pre-transition, although I know that a lot of those women would consider me so. Which means, at what point do I become ‘too transitioned’ to be a suitable partner?

Anyway, this reassessment of lesbians was brought about by the realisation a few days ago that there is in fact a radfem lesbian I would date. I also realised that part of my attraction to her is because she would never date me, and more importantly, the reason she would never date me (I am man, *duh*). It made me wonder if I was too hasty in my judgement that I would never date a lesbian? I don’t know.

Current Thoughts:
Thats as much as I had written, and I got distracted or something. I am kinda over my little ‘ZOMG LESBIANZ ARE TEH EV0L’ thing. Its a bit stupid, and reactionary, and was essentially the result of some hurt feelings.
Lesbians are in fact pretty awesome, and it was silly of me to let my lifelong admiration for dykes get tarnished by one argument.

What I think that is at the core of issue here is the idea of visibility.
I want my masculinity to be visible. I also want my queerness to be visible. This means that sometimes I like to hook up with gay guys just because it reinforces both my masculinity and queerness all in one heady, intoxicating kiss.
A Lesbian dating a trans man wants her queerness to be visible, but unless the couple can negotiate an alternative kind of queerness, she risks erasing or undermining her partners identity in order to ensure hers remains visible. Sometimes trans men stop identifying as queer, and thats cool, but that can suck for his girlfriend, if she identifies as a lesbian, and doesn’t want to redefine as straight.

I tend to either be visibly male, or visibly queer. I am interpreted as one or the other, but rarely both simultaneously. Sometimes its more important to me to be seen as male, sometimes its more important to me to be seen as queer.

Most of the time I can define myself, and thats enough. However, if one is part of a relationship, one cannot define oneself with complete disregard to a partners feelings. If I am dating a man he cannot decide to redefine himself as straight, and expect me to be totally fine with that. (Especially if he starts screwing up my pronouns consistently after this ‘redefinition’ *frowns*)
Of course, if one appears to be in a heterosexual relationship, how does one go about ensuring they are still welcome in queer spaces, still welcome at queer events?
I think that its important for people who are primarily part of cissexual ’same-sex’ relationships to remain aware that bisexuals, and trans people often still define as queer, even if they are not always visibly so.

Any thoughts on this? My idea’s are still kinda fuzzy, so I hope what I am getting at is kinda clear. (Meanwhile, the second half of this post is totally different to the first half, cos I don’t really remember where I was going originally…)

8 Responses to "Turning Queerness Invisible"

The most effective way to make sure you’re welcome at queer events is to be friends with the queers.

robbie – being friends with the queers isn’t always enough, and it fucking well shouldn’t have to be. i shouldn’t have to know folks on the inside to get ‘queer cred’. one has to be welcomed at queer events to begin making friends in the first place.

ryan – this post is really interesting, thankyou. i find that i am seen as more ’straight’ by my queer friends, and ‘queer’ by my more ‘mainstream’ friends. it seems to be relative to what other people’s idea of being queer is. queer people see me in a boy + girl serious relationship and assume straight, whereas my normals see a girl with short hair, lots of typical-male-interests, aggressive dressing style and lots of queer and trans friends as being queer.

i’m not sure about what i do to maintain my visibility. it is important to me in the sense that if i want support, i should be able to get it without having to list my sexual history as evidence. however, beyond that, it’s not really that vital. yea, i’m proud, but it’s not all of who i am.

i think as long as i maintain the visibility by being true to MYSELF, then what other people see is what other people see.

Robbie: True, but that only holds in places where you know people. What if you move cities or something? Or what if you were going along with your gf, and it was all her friends, and then you break up with her, and have a bf next, and your ex-girlfriend tells everyone you are straight now? I’ve known of two cases where the ‘recognised-queer’ partners of bisexuals who are new to the scene have told other queers that their partner is straight, causing a whole passel of social problems.

Liz: Its all about defining ‘queer’ – and we cant! I have friends in heterosexual relationships who I would totally list among my ‘queer’ friends, though I don’t know how most people would see them. Queerness does turn invisible so easily.

i actually like the word queer because it IS so undefinable, but it does cause the invisibility problem. i guess it goes back to my philosophy on life being truth is a matter of perception – people are always going to have different ideas about the same label. that’s why i think the most important thing is to be who you are, and not fit into other people’s definitions of what they think you are. life would get way too confusing, having to change every time you saw someone different!

Thanks for the link.

Stopping being queer was a gradual thing for me. I just started dating a straight girl, moved to a new town and started having straight friends. Then I realised I didn’t have any Queer friends, and didn’t really have any need to seek any out.

If I was single again I wouldn’t probably go dating on planet straight.

No problem. I really enjoy your blog.

I think that its pretty damned unhealthy to just cut off contact with queers and ‘go straight’, but over time ones place in society changes, and it doesn’t matter.
After all, if you aren’t visibly queer, and you don’t consider yourself queer, there’s no point in going hunting for the queers.

I can’t imagine dating in the straight world! I’ve tried, and never had any fun, but then I was dating straight men as a straight woman.
I sometimes think it might be nice to be able to just buy a girl flowers, and not have the symbolism be analysed! Then again, I would probably find any girl that didn’t refer to flowers as the ’slowly dying decapitated sexual organs of a plant’ eventually boring. >:D

I have to admit to liking gardens and I do enjoy buying flowers for a girlfriend who likes recieving them! No alternative motives.

I guess it took about 7 years for me to be stop being queer – ove that time I just stopped having things in common with the gay community.

The straight/queer, trans/het, gay/bi thing seems to be a mess we get in to by trying to apply lables to situations where labels really aren’t that helpful. This is particularly true for soffas who really are the world’s most invisible queers. If we have formerly socialised as straight, (which makes us very desirable to some trans-guys), then we cannot out ourselves with out outing our partner, and it isn’t really up to us to do that, is it.

As you can see, I started saying “we” here, but really I can only speak for myself: just about everyone, including my partner, thinks of me as straight, and I felt like a tourist at LGBT events. Hell, I’m not L, G, B or T so they don’t really include me, now do they? However, this situation is so infinitely better than most of the alternatives that I’m not complaining.

Being with a trans-parter really is the love that cannot speak its name. I once told a friend that I was having sex that there wasn’t a term for and sent the dirty-minded bastard mad with speculative curiosity for a week. :-D

The more I know about trans-folk and the more trans-folk I know, the more I conclude that there is no typical trans experience. I’d like to meet and know more about other partners of trans-people, though.

Cheers.

Aphra.

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