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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@G.O. Thats really interesting about the shoes. I have bad feet, and have found that I don&#039;t get sore feet in my mens boots the way I do in girl shoes. I don&#039;t even need my orthotics in mens shoes, but I wear them anyway from habit.
However, my hips are really wide and girl shaped, so I had always assumed its cos mens shoes, like mens pants, are better quality than women&#039;s shoes.

@Lottie If you want to ask any questions thats fine, I may even make a series of question and answer posts about trans stuff. I&#039;ve not felt like blogging much recently, but maybe I just need a little inspiration? You can email me at JustAskCM [AT] gmail [DOT] com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@G.O. Thats really interesting about the shoes. I have bad feet, and have found that I don&#8217;t get sore feet in my mens boots the way I do in girl shoes. I don&#8217;t even need my orthotics in mens shoes, but I wear them anyway from habit.<br />
However, my hips are really wide and girl shaped, so I had always assumed its cos mens shoes, like mens pants, are better quality than women&#8217;s shoes.</p>
<p>@Lottie If you want to ask any questions thats fine, I may even make a series of question and answer posts about trans stuff. I&#8217;ve not felt like blogging much recently, but maybe I just need a little inspiration? You can email me at JustAskCM [AT] gmail [DOT] com.</p>
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		<title>By: Lottie</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1394</link>
		<dc:creator>Lottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, G.O. I see the answer to my question has been covered already. Duh! I must&#039;ve had a brain fart or something. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, G.O. I see the answer to my question has been covered already. Duh! I must&#8217;ve had a brain fart or something. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Lottie</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1393</link>
		<dc:creator>Lottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s OK, Ryan. I can look it up. I&#039;m particularly interested because when I was a teenager I was told, on a few occasions, that I walked like a guy. Sometimes they said, &quot;like a dyke&quot;. Then later, when I was in my mid-twenties, I was maid or honor (or whatever) in my sister&#039;s wedding, and several people commented on how &quot;gracefully&quot; I walked down to aisle, &quot;like  a model&quot;, one person said.  I wonder how much of it was down to my body developing, and how much it was a result of socialization.  It&#039;s an interesting topic, indeed. 

G.O. - Thanks for clarifying. That&#039;s kind of what I thought - that you were just expanding on the subject. I just wanted to make sure that  no-one confused my sweetheart of a man for some jerk. Hahaha...  I hope I didn&#039;t sound defensive or anything. I appreciate everything you said, and totally agree!  

So good advice from the chiro, then! Interesting, too, that you don&#039;t have a female structure. You&#039;re FTM right? 

Also, I really hope you guys don&#039;t mind me asking these questions. I&#039;ve had tons of questions over the years, but I hesitate to ask because I want to respect people&#039;s privacy and boundaries.  I wonder if this might be the appropriate setting, though? If it&#039;s OK with Ryan and everyone else, I&#039;d like to put a question or two out there once in a while, as they occur to me. If it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; OK, just tell me to shut up and mind my business. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s OK, Ryan. I can look it up. I&#8217;m particularly interested because when I was a teenager I was told, on a few occasions, that I walked like a guy. Sometimes they said, &#8220;like a dyke&#8221;. Then later, when I was in my mid-twenties, I was maid or honor (or whatever) in my sister&#8217;s wedding, and several people commented on how &#8220;gracefully&#8221; I walked down to aisle, &#8220;like  a model&#8221;, one person said.  I wonder how much of it was down to my body developing, and how much it was a result of socialization.  It&#8217;s an interesting topic, indeed. </p>
<p>G.O. &#8211; Thanks for clarifying. That&#8217;s kind of what I thought &#8211; that you were just expanding on the subject. I just wanted to make sure that  no-one confused my sweetheart of a man for some jerk. Hahaha&#8230;  I hope I didn&#8217;t sound defensive or anything. I appreciate everything you said, and totally agree!  </p>
<p>So good advice from the chiro, then! Interesting, too, that you don&#8217;t have a female structure. You&#8217;re FTM right? </p>
<p>Also, I really hope you guys don&#8217;t mind me asking these questions. I&#8217;ve had tons of questions over the years, but I hesitate to ask because I want to respect people&#8217;s privacy and boundaries.  I wonder if this might be the appropriate setting, though? If it&#8217;s OK with Ryan and everyone else, I&#8217;d like to put a question or two out there once in a while, as they occur to me. If it&#8217;s <i>not</i> OK, just tell me to shut up and mind my business. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: genderoutlaw</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1392</link>
		<dc:creator>genderoutlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, I was most definitely NOT attacking Mike, just elaborating on the discussion that he and Ryan were having.

As for hips, I have none really. I was complaining to my chiropractor recently about pain in my foot and he took a long look at my hips and leg structure, then asked about my shoes. I&#039;d been regularly wearing these Merrell hikers that have a  Q-form (I think it&#039;s called) design. They&#039;re specifically designed for women&#039;s musculo-skeletal structure. My chiro exclaimed: But you don&#039;t have a woman&#039;s structure, ditch the shoes! As it turns out, I outgrew them anyway, and my foot pain is gone. As for how I walk, well, it&#039;s definitely not feminine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, I was most definitely NOT attacking Mike, just elaborating on the discussion that he and Ryan were having.</p>
<p>As for hips, I have none really. I was complaining to my chiropractor recently about pain in my foot and he took a long look at my hips and leg structure, then asked about my shoes. I&#8217;d been regularly wearing these Merrell hikers that have a  Q-form (I think it&#8217;s called) design. They&#8217;re specifically designed for women&#8217;s musculo-skeletal structure. My chiro exclaimed: But you don&#8217;t have a woman&#8217;s structure, ditch the shoes! As it turns out, I outgrew them anyway, and my foot pain is gone. As for how I walk, well, it&#8217;s definitely not feminine!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lottie,

I don&#039;t know where I would redirect you to, cos I can&#039;t remember where I read most of what I have about the way people walk, most of it was pre-transition, so I wasn&#039;t even thinking in terms of trans people at the time, just in terms of &#039;Um, but I can&#039;t walk like a girl, OH GOD IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY HIPS???&#039;

One other example I read on the internet was in a &#039;How to pass&#039; guide for trans women that said that the quickest way to learn to walk like a girl with the appropriate stride length, hip wiggle etc, was the learn to walk properly in heels, and then just walk like that no matter what you are wearing on your feet.

That would have been useful advice for me back in the day, since I couldn&#039;t walk in heels at all (the few times I did wear heels I got asked if I had something wrong with my legs cos I was walking so awkwardly). I might have been better at passing as a cisgirl if I learned to walk like a girl.

My girlfriend has been looking at old pics and stuff of me in girl mode, and has been marvelling at how much I looked like a trans woman, in spite of my feminine features, and extremely girly clothes.
I was even mistaken for a trans woman by a guy I had FUCKED once. I shit you not.
I guess it makes sense. If you move like a man, but dress like a &lt;strike&gt;drag queen&lt;/strike&gt; hyper-femme, people are gonna think &#039;tranny&#039; not &#039;tom boy&#039; or &#039;dyke&#039;, like they would have if I was wearing pants and Doc Martens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lottie,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where I would redirect you to, cos I can&#8217;t remember where I read most of what I have about the way people walk, most of it was pre-transition, so I wasn&#8217;t even thinking in terms of trans people at the time, just in terms of &#8216;Um, but I can&#8217;t walk like a girl, OH GOD IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY HIPS???&#8217;</p>
<p>One other example I read on the internet was in a &#8216;How to pass&#8217; guide for trans women that said that the quickest way to learn to walk like a girl with the appropriate stride length, hip wiggle etc, was the learn to walk properly in heels, and then just walk like that no matter what you are wearing on your feet.</p>
<p>That would have been useful advice for me back in the day, since I couldn&#8217;t walk in heels at all (the few times I did wear heels I got asked if I had something wrong with my legs cos I was walking so awkwardly). I might have been better at passing as a cisgirl if I learned to walk like a girl.</p>
<p>My girlfriend has been looking at old pics and stuff of me in girl mode, and has been marvelling at how much I looked like a trans woman, in spite of my feminine features, and extremely girly clothes.<br />
I was even mistaken for a trans woman by a guy I had FUCKED once. I shit you not.<br />
I guess it makes sense. If you move like a man, but dress like a <strike>drag queen</strike> hyper-femme, people are gonna think &#8216;tranny&#8217; not &#8216;tom boy&#8217; or &#8216;dyke&#8217;, like they would have if I was wearing pants and Doc Martens.</p>
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		<title>By: Lottie</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1390</link>
		<dc:creator>Lottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ryan. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right. I just felt the need to say something. 

I can imagine that it&#039;s a touchy subject. I didn&#039;t know until reading this comment section that you guys are often advised to be jerks, basically. That&#039;s wrong on so many levels that the subject deserves a post all its own (I&#039;m sure there are quite a few). 

So, just out of curiosity (I still have a lot to learn on the subject) you&#039;re not disputing that our bone and pelvic structures are different, just that those differences don&#039;t determine how we walk as much as socialization?  I&#039;m definitely interested in reading more about that if you can point me in the right direction.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ryan. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right. I just felt the need to say something. </p>
<p>I can imagine that it&#8217;s a touchy subject. I didn&#8217;t know until reading this comment section that you guys are often advised to be jerks, basically. That&#8217;s wrong on so many levels that the subject deserves a post all its own (I&#8217;m sure there are quite a few). </p>
<p>So, just out of curiosity (I still have a lot to learn on the subject) you&#8217;re not disputing that our bone and pelvic structures are different, just that those differences don&#8217;t determine how we walk as much as socialization?  I&#8217;m definitely interested in reading more about that if you can point me in the right direction.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1388</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lottie, I am sure that GO and Jacky did not intend to attack Mike, I know that I certainly didn&#039;t.

I think t-boys get a bit touchy about being told &#039;how to pass&#039; especially when so much of the advice is just plain &#039;be ruder&#039;. It gets up my nose, thats for sure.

I understand that Mike&#039;s comments are related to bone structure, and I think he&#039;s wrong, but I also know that what he believes is a fairly common idea, and I&#039;ve even seen papers written on the topic. I also thought those papers were wrong, and poorly researched, and mostly about some scientists preconceived notions regarding gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lottie, I am sure that GO and Jacky did not intend to attack Mike, I know that I certainly didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think t-boys get a bit touchy about being told &#8216;how to pass&#8217; especially when so much of the advice is just plain &#8216;be ruder&#8217;. It gets up my nose, thats for sure.</p>
<p>I understand that Mike&#8217;s comments are related to bone structure, and I think he&#8217;s wrong, but I also know that what he believes is a fairly common idea, and I&#8217;ve even seen papers written on the topic. I also thought those papers were wrong, and poorly researched, and mostly about some scientists preconceived notions regarding gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Lottie</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/crossing-a-gender-line/#comment-1387</link>
		<dc:creator>Lottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly hope this isn&#039;t deteriorating into an attack on Mike. Discussing bone structure and the different ways that people carry themselves and why, is hardly the same as suggesting that someone pretend to be rude, distant or uncaring. 

Mike is the most gentle, sensitive, attentive and caring man I&#039;ve ever known (we&#039;re married). Neither of us believe in the concept of &quot;real&quot; men or &quot;real&quot; anything else along those lines. No-one is the gatekeeper of such things.  

I know you were replying to G.O., Jacky, but G.O. was responding, at least in part, to Mike, and it&#039;s starting to sound like Mike is being lumped in with people who think that being a &quot;rude asshole&quot; is part and parcel of being male. I happen to know that that&#039;s not at all where he&#039;s coming from.

Bottom line, we&#039;re all basically on the same page here: we should all treat each other with respect and common decency, and no-one should apologize for being him/herself, whatever that may entail. 

And I know Mike is quite capable of speaking for himself. He&#039;s just rubbish when it comes to keeping up with comments, and I felt the need to defend his honor ( see, we really don&#039;t care about gender roles ;) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly hope this isn&#8217;t deteriorating into an attack on Mike. Discussing bone structure and the different ways that people carry themselves and why, is hardly the same as suggesting that someone pretend to be rude, distant or uncaring. </p>
<p>Mike is the most gentle, sensitive, attentive and caring man I&#8217;ve ever known (we&#8217;re married). Neither of us believe in the concept of &#8220;real&#8221; men or &#8220;real&#8221; anything else along those lines. No-one is the gatekeeper of such things.  </p>
<p>I know you were replying to G.O., Jacky, but G.O. was responding, at least in part, to Mike, and it&#8217;s starting to sound like Mike is being lumped in with people who think that being a &#8220;rude asshole&#8221; is part and parcel of being male. I happen to know that that&#8217;s not at all where he&#8217;s coming from.</p>
<p>Bottom line, we&#8217;re all basically on the same page here: we should all treat each other with respect and common decency, and no-one should apologize for being him/herself, whatever that may entail. </p>
<p>And I know Mike is quite capable of speaking for himself. He&#8217;s just rubbish when it comes to keeping up with comments, and I felt the need to defend his honor ( see, we really don&#8217;t care about gender roles <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with both GO and Jacky regarding abuse of male privilege.

I&#039;ve already come across situations where the rules are changing... People give me more personal space, my straight male friends don&#039;t want to hug (even to say goodbye) and so on and on.
Some of it I enjoy. For example, not having to fight to get my personal space is nice. The lack of sexual harassment is nice. I still have plenty of fags around, so I&#039;m not lacking for hugs.
But I don&#039;t need to push into line for the bus, or take up multiple seats, or speak over female friends, and on and on.

And I really don&#039;t care how I&#039;m read most of the time. Fag, Butch, dyke, straight boy (well, I&#039;m a bit ew about straight boy), its all much the same to me these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with both GO and Jacky regarding abuse of male privilege.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already come across situations where the rules are changing&#8230; People give me more personal space, my straight male friends don&#8217;t want to hug (even to say goodbye) and so on and on.<br />
Some of it I enjoy. For example, not having to fight to get my personal space is nice. The lack of sexual harassment is nice. I still have plenty of fags around, so I&#8217;m not lacking for hugs.<br />
But I don&#8217;t need to push into line for the bus, or take up multiple seats, or speak over female friends, and on and on.</p>
<p>And I really don&#8217;t care how I&#8217;m read most of the time. Fag, Butch, dyke, straight boy (well, I&#8217;m a bit ew about straight boy), its all much the same to me these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacky V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacky V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, G.O. I refuse to be one of those rude assholes on public transit who thinks it&#039;s OK to sit with his legs two feet apart, thus taking up three seats (his own and the one on either side of him). I refuse to &quot;pretend&quot; to be rude, distant and uncaring just to be read as male. I&#039;m lucky, I grew up with a very tender father and I&#039;ve had other men in my life who were kind and caring so my vision of masculinity is MUCH different than what some of my guy friends tell me I should be doing to be a &quot;real&quot; guy&quot;. If being a &quot;real&quot; guy means maintaining male privilege to some people, they need to take a close look at themselves and where they got these notions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, G.O. I refuse to be one of those rude assholes on public transit who thinks it&#8217;s OK to sit with his legs two feet apart, thus taking up three seats (his own and the one on either side of him). I refuse to &#8220;pretend&#8221; to be rude, distant and uncaring just to be read as male. I&#8217;m lucky, I grew up with a very tender father and I&#8217;ve had other men in my life who were kind and caring so my vision of masculinity is MUCH different than what some of my guy friends tell me I should be doing to be a &#8220;real&#8221; guy&#8221;. If being a &#8220;real&#8221; guy means maintaining male privilege to some people, they need to take a close look at themselves and where they got these notions.</p>
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