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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/being-horrifyingly-wrong/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AriellaDrake

I pretty much agree with everything that you have to say here, I also think that there&#039;s a certain unfairness in expecting people to be fully fledged allies or even aware members of a minority right from the moment they become aware of the minorities existence. I also don&#039;t think that its too much to ask that peopled don&#039;t be arseholes. Being oppressed isn&#039;t a free pass to go about being a total fuckstick to everyone else on the planet unless they agree with you on *everything*.

I am completely mortified when I say shit that should never be said, and most of its pretty harmless cos I&#039;m generally a respectful person. However, there&#039;s things like pronouns. I don&#039;t expect other people to get using correctly gendered pronouns unless its been explained to them... I am trans myself and it was about 3 months before I cottoned on to the pronoun thing.
I wasn&#039;t given a handbook that said &#039;This is how to be trans  without offending other trans people&#039;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;if feminists/poc/minority x/etc weren’t so ANGRY all the time, then maybe we’d win more allies&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I get frustrated with this too. This post isn&#039;t really trying to say that at all. However, I do think that there are some people in the gender community that are just angry bullies that ignore facts in order to throw their weight around in the only space where they have a little power. I think that is fucked up, and they need to get over themselves.</description>
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<p>I pretty much agree with everything that you have to say here, I also think that there&#8217;s a certain unfairness in expecting people to be fully fledged allies or even aware members of a minority right from the moment they become aware of the minorities existence. I also don&#8217;t think that its too much to ask that peopled don&#8217;t be arseholes. Being oppressed isn&#8217;t a free pass to go about being a total fuckstick to everyone else on the planet unless they agree with you on *everything*.</p>
<p>I am completely mortified when I say shit that should never be said, and most of its pretty harmless cos I&#8217;m generally a respectful person. However, there&#8217;s things like pronouns. I don&#8217;t expect other people to get using correctly gendered pronouns unless its been explained to them&#8230; I am trans myself and it was about 3 months before I cottoned on to the pronoun thing.<br />
I wasn&#8217;t given a handbook that said &#8216;This is how to be trans  without offending other trans people&#8217;.</p>
<blockquote><p>if feminists/poc/minority x/etc weren’t so ANGRY all the time, then maybe we’d win more allies</p></blockquote>
<p>I get frustrated with this too. This post isn&#8217;t really trying to say that at all. However, I do think that there are some people in the gender community that are just angry bullies that ignore facts in order to throw their weight around in the only space where they have a little power. I think that is fucked up, and they need to get over themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: arielladrake</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/being-horrifyingly-wrong/#comment-1440</link>
		<dc:creator>arielladrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m rather torn about this, for various reasons, though I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m misunderstanding and/or just don&#039;t have the context right. I think to a point, you&#039;re right, that insulting people&#039;s humanity and identity for slip-ups and ignorance is uncalled for, but at the same time, there is a certain privilege involved in not knowing certain things (because not knowing them is a result of privilege), and there&#039;s a certain privilege involved in saying &quot;i&#039;m okay with being called on my privilege, unless someone hurts my feelings when they do so&quot; - which isn&#039;t so much a comment on you, particularly, but it&#039;s something that the whole &#039;be understanding&#039; thing often leads to.

I generally take the view that not everyone&#039;s going to be all nice and understanding when I say something stupid, and it&#039;s my responsibility to remember that. Because even if I say the stupid thing because I&#039;m feeling marginalised/frustrated/etc, so, so many of those stupid things I can say are marginalising, and *hurtful*. Many of them serve to take away the dignity and humanity of the people they are aimed at, so how can I really expect them to always react with care and understanding, or to have the presence of mind to walk away? I can see what you&#039;re saying about teaching, though I have seen a lot more allies stepping up in that regard, and I think that&#039;s a good thing (though it does need to be tempered somewhat to avoid silencing the voices of the very people they&#039;re trying to be allies with).

And I&#039;m really not comfortable with the idea that folks being mean to me is a justification for not trying to deal with and minimise the impact of my privilege. It&#039;s just not something that&#039;s sat well with me for some time, because if I say something stupid in a moment of privileged asshattery, and someone calls me on it, my usual reaction these days is to be completely mortified that I said something hurtful.  But it&#039;s also because I know I have very little time for the kinds of men/whitefolk/straightfolk, who decide that if only feminists/poc/queers hadn&#039;t been so mean to them they&#039;d totally support feminist/anti-racist/queer causes. Because if that&#039;s enough to sway someone, then I know their support is conditional, and I can&#039;t trust someone who&#039;s support for my dignity is conditional.

I don&#039;t know. I&#039;ve seen a lot of the particular concern-troll in other places lately that generally argues along the lines that if feminists/poc/minority x/etc weren&#039;t so ANGRY all the time, then maybe we&#039;d win more allies, so maybe this is a bit of a hairpoint trigger for me at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rather torn about this, for various reasons, though I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m misunderstanding and/or just don&#8217;t have the context right. I think to a point, you&#8217;re right, that insulting people&#8217;s humanity and identity for slip-ups and ignorance is uncalled for, but at the same time, there is a certain privilege involved in not knowing certain things (because not knowing them is a result of privilege), and there&#8217;s a certain privilege involved in saying &#8220;i&#8217;m okay with being called on my privilege, unless someone hurts my feelings when they do so&#8221; &#8211; which isn&#8217;t so much a comment on you, particularly, but it&#8217;s something that the whole &#8216;be understanding&#8217; thing often leads to.</p>
<p>I generally take the view that not everyone&#8217;s going to be all nice and understanding when I say something stupid, and it&#8217;s my responsibility to remember that. Because even if I say the stupid thing because I&#8217;m feeling marginalised/frustrated/etc, so, so many of those stupid things I can say are marginalising, and *hurtful*. Many of them serve to take away the dignity and humanity of the people they are aimed at, so how can I really expect them to always react with care and understanding, or to have the presence of mind to walk away? I can see what you&#8217;re saying about teaching, though I have seen a lot more allies stepping up in that regard, and I think that&#8217;s a good thing (though it does need to be tempered somewhat to avoid silencing the voices of the very people they&#8217;re trying to be allies with).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m really not comfortable with the idea that folks being mean to me is a justification for not trying to deal with and minimise the impact of my privilege. It&#8217;s just not something that&#8217;s sat well with me for some time, because if I say something stupid in a moment of privileged asshattery, and someone calls me on it, my usual reaction these days is to be completely mortified that I said something hurtful.  But it&#8217;s also because I know I have very little time for the kinds of men/whitefolk/straightfolk, who decide that if only feminists/poc/queers hadn&#8217;t been so mean to them they&#8217;d totally support feminist/anti-racist/queer causes. Because if that&#8217;s enough to sway someone, then I know their support is conditional, and I can&#8217;t trust someone who&#8217;s support for my dignity is conditional.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of the particular concern-troll in other places lately that generally argues along the lines that if feminists/poc/minority x/etc weren&#8217;t so ANGRY all the time, then maybe we&#8217;d win more allies, so maybe this is a bit of a hairpoint trigger for me at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick

LULZ! You made me lol!</description>
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<p>LULZ! You made me lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe you should figure out what you stand for before you clog up the blogosphere.&quot;

So the blogosphere really is a series of tubes? Learn something new every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe you should figure out what you stand for before you clog up the blogosphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the blogosphere really is a series of tubes? Learn something new every day.</p>
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		<title>By: manupmen</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmegalomaniac.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/being-horrifyingly-wrong/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>manupmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who mod are sods.  Ryan I shall leave you alone, just remember do always do your best, worst, be yourself, be someone else, say what you mean, i mean mean what you say, no, wait, i know, just type a lot and it will sound a lot like thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who mod are sods.  Ryan I shall leave you alone, just remember do always do your best, worst, be yourself, be someone else, say what you mean, i mean mean what you say, no, wait, i know, just type a lot and it will sound a lot like thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manupmen
Oh, you are just hilarious. *raises eyebrow*
I could just mod you out of existence you know. You aren&#039;t adding anything to the conversation. Make a point, or fuck off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manupmen<br />
Oh, you are just hilarious. *raises eyebrow*<br />
I could just mod you out of existence you know. You aren&#8217;t adding anything to the conversation. Make a point, or fuck off.</p>
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		<title>By: manupmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>manupmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan I changed my mind, you are great!  No, I mean you are terrible.  I mean, you are okay.  You are my favorite, I like you the least.  Gosh I am happy sad up down babbling making sense.  I should write a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan I changed my mind, you are great!  No, I mean you are terrible.  I mean, you are okay.  You are my favorite, I like you the least.  Gosh I am happy sad up down babbling making sense.  I should write a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manupmen
You&#039;re a charmer aren&#039;t you?
Because people aren&#039;t allowed to change, or learn, or in fact, speak until they are absolutely sure they will be right for ever and ever and ever.

@Alan
I think that it would take me far too long to post updates to all those posts, there&#039;s a hundred of them. Also, I&#039;ve forgotten that I&#039;ve even written some of them. 
I don&#039;t like to delete or edit them, because like I&#039;ve said before, my blog is for me, and I enjoy reading through and going &#039;CHRIST, I said THAT? OMG! I can&#039;t believe I was so IGNORANT/NAIVE/MISINFORMED!&#039; and marvel at how much I&#039;ve learned since then.
I&#039;ve only deleted one post from this blog, and that wasn&#039;t because I disagreed with its content, but because it was truly awful poetry that I decided the world didn&#039;t need.

Also, I change so FAST. I mean, my blog would just be five posts getting endlessly longer as I post more and more edits to them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manupmen<br />
You&#8217;re a charmer aren&#8217;t you?<br />
Because people aren&#8217;t allowed to change, or learn, or in fact, speak until they are absolutely sure they will be right for ever and ever and ever.</p>
<p>@Alan<br />
I think that it would take me far too long to post updates to all those posts, there&#8217;s a hundred of them. Also, I&#8217;ve forgotten that I&#8217;ve even written some of them.<br />
I don&#8217;t like to delete or edit them, because like I&#8217;ve said before, my blog is for me, and I enjoy reading through and going &#8216;CHRIST, I said THAT? OMG! I can&#8217;t believe I was so IGNORANT/NAIVE/MISINFORMED!&#8217; and marvel at how much I&#8217;ve learned since then.<br />
I&#8217;ve only deleted one post from this blog, and that wasn&#8217;t because I disagreed with its content, but because it was truly awful poetry that I decided the world didn&#8217;t need.</p>
<p>Also, I change so FAST. I mean, my blog would just be five posts getting endlessly longer as I post more and more edits to them. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s because you&#039;re learning and growing that things you said some time ago are no longer relevant in relation to what you&#039;ve learned since then.  Most people will understand that.  

If you&#039;re horrified by things you&#039;ve written in the past, it&#039;s your prerogative to either edit what you wrote, or place an &#039;update&#039; at the bottom of the post to mention what you&#039;ve learnt since then.  Or even delete posts completely. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s because you&#8217;re learning and growing that things you said some time ago are no longer relevant in relation to what you&#8217;ve learned since then.  Most people will understand that.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re horrified by things you&#8217;ve written in the past, it&#8217;s your prerogative to either edit what you wrote, or place an &#8216;update&#8217; at the bottom of the post to mention what you&#8217;ve learnt since then.  Or even delete posts completely. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: manupmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>manupmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should figure out what you stand for before you clog up the blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should figure out what you stand for before you clog up the blogosphere.</p>
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